Mp's Should Go To Rave Parties!

Posted by: JPB Jul 5 2006, 05:08 PM

A very good idea!! This way they can see what it is really all like (or at least be given the opportunity too as some will still sadly not see the truth out of choice...)not the over-hyped sensationalised bullshit they dream up in their media/government party cauldrons which have no or very litte fact based information behind them.

One day the people that *clears throat & coughs* 'lead' this country will actually wake up & realise just excatly what the phuck is going on & ASSIST in PREVENTING outcomes where little johhny that had one too many trying to be cool (& who was GROSSLY missinformed to begin with so thought that it would be ok) has now passed away!! Instead of using such sad instances AGAINST the community at large with scare tacticts & irrational rantings about something they NO NOTHING OF nor are WILLING TO LEARN anything about!!

Funny isn't it; you have to quantify all your actions to your boss or superior with EXAMPLES & FACT BASED information....well most of the time whereas they can sit there & dribble as much phucking bullshit as they want with no factual base or anything to quantify their thoughts &/or actions but as they are 'higher up in the chain' it must essentially be ACCEPTED & taken as gospel &/or fact!?!!WTF!?

Scary times we live in people, scary times...

Lets Just hope that their are more people like Dr David Caldicott & MP Sandra Kanck who are willing to speak up & act rationally with regards to hard hitting social issues that affect a broad spectrum of todays generation. As Tara has stated the more education, preperation & harm minimilisation that can be given SURELY is of more benefit than scare tactics & propganda bullshit! is it 2006 or 1906!?!?!?
As stated in this thred, most 'recreational users' are young (well not all of us )working adults, that are also eductaed voters (do they forget about that!? ), why not treat us with the respect & dignity that we deserve & give US the option to be able to test our own etc & make sure what some of us chose to do in our past time is a safe practice!? Like Paul said, tax the phuck out of them! Use the $ to better our health system & the like. Use the $ to educate younger kids (& some of the older ones ) with regards to the good & the bad, with everything out on the table it is then an INFORMED choice not a shot in the dark! It is an issue that will not go away, lets just hope that the actions of the MP from this weekend just gone & the continued efforts of Dr Caldicott & advoctaes like him reverberate within the Halls of Parliament et all & wake these people up to the real needs of the community & the people that in the not-to-distant will be future leaders within this country!!

Posted by: SpecialK Jul 5 2006, 05:11 PM

I still support education (for MP's and ppl that take stuff) being one of the better options for drug-related issues...

Posted by: firestarter Jul 5 2006, 05:36 PM

i'd rather see ads on tv explaining exactly how pills work, at what dose they are fatal and the accurate side effects, rather than footage of someone on the ground out cold and someone saying "i THINK she took ecstacy"
the media sholuld be made accountable for spreading propaganda and should cut to the facts.  but its nice and convenient to make parents afraid of substances, make people who recreationally drop out to be some kind or savage evil beasts, low lives and what not.

Posted by: philbert Jul 5 2006, 06:07 PM

rofl at the thought of mp's going to raves....

on the mic we have MC Costello and on the decks DJ GST - give it up adelaaaaaide!!!

Posted by: DeL Jul 5 2006, 09:23 PM

id like to see a polly being slipped a good quality Eccie.. and then set them lose on the dance floor.. then interview them at half hr intervals on how they feel..a nd what their thoughts are on drugs etc...

Posted by: march E Jul 6 2006, 01:08 AM

then ring them on tuesday morning

Posted by: philbert Jul 6 2006, 07:36 AM

LOL! remember the lyrics from "the streets - weak become hero's" imagine the worlds leaders on pills, then imagine the morning after, always causig disaster...." - not that they need the help....

GET THIS MORNINGS ADVERTISER FOR A FRONT PAGE SPREAD!

Posted by: wizzy Jul 6 2006, 11:57 AM

im so glad someones finally steppin outta there comfort zone n experiencing something so awsome.iv always hated how people on the outside compare us to out of control junkies or the usual crowd that cause trouble in town on the wknds.its great to have some1 realize were the nicest bunch of people youll eva come in contact with

Posted by: march E Jul 6 2006, 12:07 PM

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/commo...255E910,00.html

KANCK SAYS RAVE
PARTY SAFER THAN
THE FRONT BAR
LISA ALLISON and SAM RICHES
06jul06
POLICE seized about 500 drug deals from a rave party that Democrats MP Sandra Kanck claims was a "far better environment" than a hotel bar.



Ms Kanck, who attended the rave on Saturday night and later urged all MPs to do the same as part of the drug debate, said yesterday she felt safer at the rave than in a hotel.

"These people using ecstasy and whatever they're using, they are not aggressive, they're not shouting, they're not fighting, you don't get people puking all over the place, it's a far, far better environment," Ms Kanck told ABC local radio.

"If I had a choice between being at a rave party and a hotel bar, I'd go to the rave party every time."

But police told The Advertiser last night four men were arrested at the Winter Enchanted rave on Saturday night, at the Night Train theatre restaurant in Light Square.

Police allege they were carrying more than 300 ecstasy tablets for sale as well as amphetamines, LSD, cannabis and about $1500 in cash. Twenty-one on-the-spot drug fines were also issued.

Police say some of those arrested are linked to motorcycle gangs.

Superintendent Paul Schramm said that while the rave party itself was relatively incident free, "it seemed more than a coincidence that we arrested four people for possessing a variety of drugs for sale".

He said raves were a common environment "for predators peddling their cocktail of drugs" to young people.

This is the third time Ms Kanck has controversially entered the drug debate. The MP previously:

TOLD State Parliament in May that "ecstasy is not a dangerous drug . . . We have been told the ecstasy is a dangerous substance. We do not have the evidence".

URGED fellow MPs on Tuesday to attend rave parties to learn first-hand about drugs related to legislation they are debating. At the rave, she was accompanied by drug testing campaigner Dr David Caldicott and another doctor.

Yesterday, Ms Kanck said the Government needed to introduce a pill-testing trial so users would be alerted if ecstasy pills were not pure. "If I were in a venue where there were 3000 people drinking alcohol and in a venue where there were 3000 people taking ecstasy, I believe I would be safer in the venue where people were taking ecstasy," she said.

"I believe they (raves) would be safe for the majority of people."

She said people who were breaking the law, however, should be prosecuted.

Ms Kanck was aware of some arrests in relation to drugs and said she knew of one person from the rave who had been admitted to the Royal Adelaide Hospital after taking drugs.

Dr Caldicott, an emergency physician at Royal Adelaide Hospital, said the number of alcohol-affected people in the emergency department after big cricket matches outnumbered rave-related admissions by up to six times.

Anti-drugs MLC Ann Bressington said Ms Kanck's latest comments were irresponsible. "I think she is undermining parents' and educators' efforts to stop people from using drugs," she said.

"She is not talking about a party. She is talking about a drug scene where ecstasy is taken."

Ms Bressington conceded Ms Kanck made her comments in relation to harm minimisation.

"But what she should be saying is there is no room in our society for mind-altering drugs. Ecstasy . . . is known to cause brain damage."

She implored Ms Kanck to come to a drug rehabilitation centre with her to see the effects of illicit drugs.

Health Minister John Hill said MPs could educate themselves about drug taking by visiting emergency department and mental health wards.

A spokeswoman for Premier Mike Rann said he would not be attending a rave "any time soon", while Democrats state president Richard Pascoe, who already has a strained relationship with Ms Kanck, said he was "lost for words".

Posted by: raveprincess Jul 6 2006, 12:20 PM

Posted by: march E Jul 6 2006, 12:23 PM

and the . . . means that part of that quote was edited out too

Posted by: Taliesin Jul 6 2006, 12:58 PM

Posted by: overdose Jul 6 2006, 01:10 PM

People are big enough to make their own decisions...

Posted by: Dalliedog Jul 6 2006, 02:09 PM

i had an interview with some person before i went in

i agree with this polli more mps should attend raves and who knows they might find they can run the state better if they opened there mind up a little

Posted by: SilverSpider Jul 6 2006, 09:22 PM

Posted by: Marty Jul 6 2006, 09:51 PM

People are big enough to make their own decisions...

Posted by: march E Jul 6 2006, 09:57 PM

the editorial will accept your letters under the condition that they are allowed to be edited.... so your views will be re worded... i dont like that idea

Posted by: SilverSpider Jul 6 2006, 10:03 PM

Im sending a reply off now, just for shits....

Posted by: asianfunkphenomena Jul 7 2006, 08:36 AM

I love this whole debate. I'm just wondering why it is our scene that always gets targeted.

Posted by: Aeon Jul 7 2006, 09:28 AM

we are targeted because we go around in shiny ravepants and weird and wacky outfits, we do our best to look different. the fact that its common knowlege that alot of people take drugs at these partys doesnt help

i think the interesting part was when i was talking to acidangels parents about raves, they thought that these events were dens of hedonism and the most common place for drink spikings, and that just even being at a rave was dangerous. its this sort of misinformed attitude which gets us targeted and hated by large parts of the comunity.

personaly i think the cops prefer us when we are out and about in the city over people who drink, they are less likely to have to scrape us up off the pavement for one reason or another

Posted by: TCB Jul 7 2006, 11:07 AM

now the otherside of the debate responds today!!
********************************************************


Sandra, here's the truth on ecstasy
LISA ALLISON
07jul06

DRUG rehabilitation counsellor Georgina Karapas says Democrat Sandra Kanck only saw the "honeymoon" at the Winter Enchanted rave.

Ms Karapas, a former drug addict and now a drug counsellor for Drug Beat SA in Elizabeth Grove, said Ms Kanck had not seen the full picture when she attended the rave at the Night Train in Light Square on Saturday night.

Ms Kanck, the state's only Democrat MP, has made several controversial comments around ecstasy use and raves, since attending the rave at the Night Train theatre restaurant.

She said drug-fuelled raves were a far better environment than alcohol-fuelled pubs and that people using ecstasy should test their pills.

Ms Karapas said she was appalled at the comments.

"What she is seeing is the honeymoon period," Ms Karapas said. "She is not seeing the downside of ecstasy - the comedown that is a huge depression and anxiety that can last for weeks. She has made her comments without doing her homework."

Ecstasy reduces the amount of serotonin in the brain, a chemical necessary for mood control.

Drug Beat SA was set up by anti-drug Independent MP Ann Bressington, a strident critic of Ms Kanck.

Former addicts Jack Calvett, 18, of Balhannah and George Nikolaidis, 36, of Payneham, who are part-way through their 15 months rehabilitation program at the centre, said they would be happy to talk to Ms Kanck about their experiences.

Mr Nikolaidis said he regularly took amphetamines and used alcohol but ecstasy only once. He took it while drinking and described the experience as "the worst feeling on earth".

"The statement she has made about pill testing shows she does not understand what she is talking about, because it implies that taking pills is a safe thing to do," he said.

Once a heavy user of marijuana, amphetamines and other drugs, Mr Calvett was too scared to ever swallow ecstasy.

"She (Ms Kanck) needs to spend a few days with an ecstasy addict," he said.

"I have seen heaps of people come down and they are so depressed."

Ms Kanck declined to comment yesterday.

Meanwhile, the Democrats state executive have called an emergency meeting next Monday to discuss Ms Kanck's comments.

Posted by: SilverSpider Jul 7 2006, 11:24 AM

Posted by: raveprincess Jul 7 2006, 11:25 AM

Posted by: toby74 Jul 7 2006, 12:54 PM

they are all idiots ... sandra wants us to talk about drugs, and the mainstream want to scare us 'cos "drugs are bad ... mmmkay?". i know i don't need to convince any of you registered anthemites about the benefits of open discussion, but what can we do about the uneducated masses?

drugs are bad, and everyone has their own experiences with them (thats a whole other thred!) which means we all have our own opinions on this topic. i do not believe that our government can tell us what is good and bad, and i believe that their decision making process is flawed. once again we can bring up our favourite argument that alchohol is responsible for hundreds of deaths each year, yet the government is happy because it gains millions of $$ through taxes/licenses/etc ...

ecstacy is the current drug of choice for many (note busted shipment of 350kg!! last week) and as such should be a topic for educated debate and not propaganda. I must say tho, if we take the whole apparatus setup for alchohol in this country and simply replace alchohol with MDMA:

licensed venues and age restrictions
approved manufacturing with enforceable standards
mandatory labelling and ingredient disclosure (even nutritional information...)
state and federal taxes on wholesalers and retailers
individual decisions about consumption
violent and antisocial behaviour (oh sorry thats booze!)
addiction/family breakdowns/counselling groups


actually i do not believe that MDMA should be legal or licensed but it is worth talking about

Posted by: PrincessPeach1337 Jul 7 2006, 02:26 PM

Gah, the article in the Advertiser yesterday just shat me to tears. For an example...

"Ecstasy *dot! dot! dot!* is known to cause brain damage. "

I draw attention to the ellipsis as it covers what the quoted actually said in the first place, and this could severely skew the opinion the reader gets out of the sentence. Ok, so I know it's not strictly relating to the debate, but it just goes to show how horrendous Adelaide's main form of print media is in showing a well-rounded argument.

*sigh* I hate The Advertiser. I really, really do.

ANYWAY! Back on topic, I commend Ms Kanck for having the guts I guess to really stick it up the conservatives and make her point known. I'm happy that someone is finally letting the opinions of "the other side" (us) be known. I mean this kind of stuff is going to happen anyway, so the key issue should be to make sure that if it *does* happen (which it will...always, no matter how much we are scared against it) make it as safe as possible through accessibility to testing, and just as importantly EDUCATION as to exactly what we're doing, what'll happen and in a way that won't make a person feel isolated or terrified like drug "educators" have done for years. Problems happen when n00bs have no idea

Ugh, such a poorly structured argument there, but you get the gist. Just needed to get it out. And I still hate The Advertiser.

Worst. Publication. Ever.

Posted by: LadyK Jul 7 2006, 02:34 PM

I agree Stupid advertiser
Apparently theyve received 500 emails (or so i heard on the new the other night) asking for Ms Kancks resignation someone finally has the balls to attend a rave & get some background knowledge & now they may lose their job over it- what hope do we honestly have of other parliament members following in her footsteps?? *grrrrrrrrrr*

Posted by: PaulHamon Jul 7 2006, 02:48 PM

Posted by: crIs P Jul 7 2006, 02:51 PM

yep no more cars i agree

Posted by: LadyK Jul 7 2006, 02:56 PM

ill third that although im too scared to drive anyway- car accident nightmares for the past 2 weeks & then my little bro being in 2 crashes in 2 days hes ok though
Theyre are alot more dangers in the world then drugs, yes, they are dangerous but surely one day theyll realise that no matter how tough they get itll continure to happen- why not jump on the gravy train & start making them safe?? although could you imagine the tax theyd add to try & deter people??

Posted by: PaulHamon Jul 7 2006, 03:05 PM

dies anyone have more information on Knack.. like her website... i cannot find shit?

why not jump on the gravy train & start making them safe?? although could you imagine the tax theyd add to try & deter people??

Posted by: LadyK Jul 7 2006, 03:11 PM

Indeed- and then they can test them to ensure they are safe & use the money made in other areas that need it so badly.
I didnt realise there was so much tax on alcohol & smokes- but it makes sence

Posted by: SilverSpider Jul 7 2006, 03:16 PM

yep no more cars i agree

Posted by: Aeon Jul 7 2006, 05:01 PM

i see ms knack around adelaide uni alot, she is always there might see what i can find internaly about her

Posted by: march E Jul 7 2006, 05:50 PM

http://sa.democrats.org.au/people/Sandra%20Kanck.htm

sandra kanck site.

show support people

Posted by: Maori_Messiah Jul 7 2006, 05:51 PM

March E is a sick nigga!!

Posted by: crIs P Jul 7 2006, 06:11 PM

dies anyone have more information on Knack.. like her website... i cannot find shit?
like the tax of booze and smokes it's sometime like 2/3 of the actual retail price, nothing wrong with that.... better the government get it that illegal gangs!

What about pants eh? They chafe us...no more pants!  

Should see if that crazy no pokies MP would go to a rave...he probably would...

Posted by: nO_iRiS Jul 7 2006, 07:26 PM

Well I'm going to do my part.

If EVER I happen to become an MP. Then I'll still be going to rave parties. *nod*

Posted by: Shadow Jul 7 2006, 09:14 PM

ok.. i just had a quick browse at wot everyone has said so i'm sorry for repeating anything..

first of all - i've read both articles on this matter.. and i find it highly amusing that the article is targeting 'ecstasy' but when they were talking to rehab patients.. neither of these patients are recovering from an ecstasy addiciton.. i wonder why that is? perhaps because they couldnt find any people that used ecstacy to the point where they needed rehab? they could only find methamphetamine addicts.. and yes fair enough meth/speed is taken at raves.. but why arent they basing their arguments on meth? because they have rehab and they use other resources for meth addicts. there is absolutly nothing to help people with their pills.. so if they bring in pill testing again wouldnt that give them more reliable facts to argue their point with?

secondly i think that kanck is 100% rite in saying that she felt safer at a rave then in a pub.. the first reason is that your not likely to get raped, stabbed, smashed over the head by a pool cue/bottle or anything of the like and the second reason is that people at raves are a lot more willing to help you if you get in trouble..
for example - if a raver over heats, or throws up, or has any issues whatso ever the chances of someone helping you are a alot higher than if you were throwing up in a pub or got alcohol poisoning. If you had your drink spiked (which happens alot more in pubs than at raves) or if you passed out from drinking too much no one would get you a bottle of water, they'd probably steal your money, rape you and leave you there to die. i know for a fact thats what would happen because i've been in both situations, and when i had my drink spiked in the pub my phone was stolen, my cash was stolen and i was left for dead. i've overheated at a rave before thou and the amount of wonderful people that were willing to help me out was amazing.

fair enough drugs are dangerous, but i think on the hole alcohol is alot more dangerous and if they are so worried about drugs being dangerous then bring in the bloody testing. give the people who do take them a helping hand and teach them to be safe about it. the only way its dangerous is when people dont know what they're taking and how much their bodies can handle and how to deal with the effects. if they bought in the testing people could find out exactly what they were taking, exactly how much their bodies can handle, and also how to handle the sides effects.

awareness is the key.
oh but sorry.. 'i've never been to a rave but i kno they're dangerous. ravers and people that take drugs are more dangerous then pedophiles and murders and rapists. oh and dont 4get i'm basing my opinion on a complete lack of facts but i'm an mp so i must know all'

egotistical uneducated closed minded fools

but hey.. what do i kno? i'm just a hairdresser

p.s its bek Josh has been using my comp n didnt sign out the bastard

Posted by: nO_iRiS Jul 7 2006, 09:20 PM

I was about to say... Josh is a hairdresser?

Posted by: bek666 Jul 7 2006, 09:25 PM

heh oops hehe i cud delete that n put it under my name.. wait i'm proving a point for the mps.. i'm skitzophrenic.. split personality cuz i'm a raver.. haha.. WOTEVER freaks.

Posted by: SilverSpider Jul 9 2006, 05:54 PM

Anyone catch the Sunday Mail today? Pg 17 I think it was...about time someone gave support in favour of this argument.

Im having fun replying to these

Posted by: foonji Jul 9 2006, 06:41 PM

yeh, Amanda Blair

Posted by: Maori_Messiah Jul 9 2006, 09:09 PM

If military police went to raves... as like sercurity?

Posted by: foonji Jul 9 2006, 10:31 PM

not Military Police... MP as in politicians

Posted by: Maori_Messiah Jul 10 2006, 12:36 AM

lol >< my bad i should read sry lol

Posted by: Aeon Jul 10 2006, 09:59 AM

lol, check out page 3 of the advertieser today for a laugh

Posted by: catsy! Jul 10 2006, 10:54 AM

Hehe!! That would be great!!

Id love to see my toffee nosed ex at a RAVE!! (He was a candidate in the last election). Put him in his place and get his head out of his arse.

I have fond memories of being paraded along hindley street and him dissing my favourite hang out (EARTH) by saying that he had 'standards' and that Earth was well below that. FFS. F*(&^%$ Cunt.... I F*(&%$# LOVE earth to bits. I F*(&^%$ supported all his damn pursuits... and .. Grrr.. dont get me started....... Man I LOVE being SINGLE!!!!

But yes... MP's SHOULD MOST DEFINITELY go to Raves!!! F&*^%$# oath!!!

Posted by: foonji Jul 10 2006, 11:46 AM

lol, check out page 3 of the advertieser today for a laugh

Posted by: catsy! Jul 10 2006, 11:50 AM

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,19738253%255E911,00.html

this is the age of technology, i don't buy a paper

Posted by: philbert Jul 10 2006, 06:07 PM

lololololol

Posted by: raveprincess Jul 11 2006, 09:49 AM

hehe... Skanck-E... or SK.. hehehehe... funny funny!

Posted by: PaulHamon Jul 11 2006, 09:58 AM

my good... do you think they put all the j/k emails in the paper...

i got an email the other day about 'aliens wanting to talk to the leader of the human race'... why didn't they publish that LOL

Posted by: NokturnL Jul 11 2006, 08:15 PM

lol, stupid advertiser... sif they could take that seriously?? I mean the aliens did contact me last night too, but i don't go parding that now? oh wait... forget what i said.. lol

Posted by: tangent23 Jul 12 2006, 07:49 PM

there's also an article in the Independent Weekly.. the reporter also went to enchanted..

reasonably fair article, slight anti bias maybe..

Posted by: PrincessPeach1337 Jul 13 2006, 12:30 PM

Yeah, I read that one too. Definitely a better written article imo, but then again, the Independent Weekly actually bother to research and present a well-rounded argument instead of just spouting out hear'say like The Advertiser.

I feel it still largely presented the mainstream opinion though, but then again...how else do they expect to sell papers?

Posted by: Jutsin Jul 13 2006, 12:56 PM

once again we can bring up our favourite argument that alchohol is responsible for hundreds of deaths each year, yet the government is happy because it gains millions of $$ through taxes/licenses/etc ...

Posted by: Aeon Jul 13 2006, 09:41 PM

not to be a wet blanket on that argument jutsin, but you also have to realise a much smaller proportion of society takes ilegal drugs compared to drinking or smoking, so the figures are not very representitive of the overall population, what we would need is something like percentage of users to deaths or some shit to make it more scientific.

"there are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics"
Winston Chirchill

Posted by: asianfunkphenomena Jul 14 2006, 05:14 AM

MP's should go to raves. They need to experience the PLUR. But its so true what Sandra Kanck said about the differences between pub and rave clientele. Our scene is so much better in terms of environment (except its not ear friendly) and people.

Posted by: raveprincess Jul 14 2006, 11:12 AM

not to be a wet blanket on that argument jutsin, but you also have to realise a much smaller proportion of society takes ilegal drugs compared to drinking or smoking, so the figures are not very representitive of the overall population, what we would need is something like percentage of users to deaths or some shit to make it more scientific.

"there are lies, there are damn lies, and there are statistics"
Winston Chirchill

Posted by: catsy! Jul 18 2006, 06:57 PM

So um yes.... are there going to be MP's coming to our future raves??? OMD... I tired of undercovers coming up to me whilst im trying to dance and give me the third degree in asking stupidity like what my name is and where do i work.. how much do i earn..... and am i on drugs... or do i sell them... do i look off tap or drunk to you?? FFS... why the strongly personal questions anyway... what the hell?? talk about giving yourself away... what the???? Im a damn clean hard dance music lover... is that okay??? Just cos i love the music... doesnt mean i have to be on drugs... FFS..... anyway... back on topic... yes.. MP's should go to raves.. they may actually start to appreciate this artform of music... :-)