Current Affairs,

Here is a thread to discuss any current affairs topics - environment, politics, global news etc... anything of pulic interest that can create healthy FRIENDLY discussion

i know heaps events can happen at once, but try to let one die down before a new one is introduced, otherwise there may be a cross-fire of information!!

But just play nice, and hopefully we can have some interesting debate!

ENJOY!!!


So just because it's in the news.....

(to begin)

Rudd vs Howard

Who thinks Rudd will be the next PM, or are there any of you who like pay cuts and no rights at work and want to vote in Johnny?? ( )

dont forget GST


i dont want a PM... but anything but howard

i want australia to become seperate from the queen

and i want a group with diverse interests and points of view instead of a fat man who cant talk

its not gonna happen is it

Labor wants to make us republic. The problem with the last refferendum is that there was no choice of type of new government i.e current, or one model.

If there was say a) vote for or against
B ) if for, what types (1,2,3 etc)

That would be awesome

This post has been edited by Candy_Cat: Dec 19 2006, 08:35 PM

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! I LOVE YOU Candy Cane.

I've always voted labor. I'm counting on Labor to win the election so the industrial relations law will be abolished and also because I'm biased coz I'm in the union.

Here's something to stir things up a bit.

1. What does everybody think of John Howards policy on immigration and citizenship in Australia? Do you agree with his views that all immigrants should learn to speak English before attempting to gain residence here? Should they all learn the history of our sovereign nation and how it was built to become its current prominence?

Hmm, good topic!!!

I think knowing a basic level of english is essential. Many skilled workers want to get into the country, and we want people intergrate into the community, not just stay within the same ethnic circle - why come here if you don't want to know other people??? knowing english helps place people into communities and getting them set up. So chosing someone who speaks english over one who doesnt, i can see why. Not saying it has to be fluent, but BASIC..

As for history, a crash course would be good..

I heard today on fresh fm that HILLS industries has sacked their production staff today as from now on they will be sourcing all their steel from japan. What a sucky time of year to do that to people. Its troubbling that more and more companies are sourcing ready made product from china and japan just so they can survive in our market place. I know the company i work for is sourcing more and more product from china as the labor is so cheap and its the only way to try to make profit in these times of rising costs for raw materials and labor expenses.

but what is considered BASIC english? A simple "hello" or being able to string a simple sentence?? and would we be choosing skilled migrants over those who are indesperate need such as ones from famine-stricken/war-torn countries??

I think they should learn the basics and should be able to communicate in english ATLEAST. We would have to do the same to survive in any other country, so why cant they? Migrants should respect our values as a nation and become a part of it. Most foreign middle eastern, european, and asian migrants tend to segregate themselves from the rest of the communtity. That is not the Australian way. Something i notice is that certain area's are heavily populated by certain cultures. But i have never heard of all the Australian migrants in asia for example, all living within close proximity of each other as these cultures do here..

I think its only fair that they understand some key fundamentals of Australian society. It will help them become a part of the wider community and in turn give regular Australian citizens a chance to understand their culture too...

i knew there was something else i was going to type

refugees are different... I think getting people away from war/poverty is essential. But just 'applying' to come in without english... meh...

It's only that way because most foreigners feel comfortable being with their own kind. Most still dont feel accepted by Australians because of where they are from or because of their beliefs and religion.

I agree on learning to read and write the basics of English but asking someone to learn the history of Australia is a bit much. How are they to comprehend this task in English when they have just learnt the language itself; especially if the task is similar to a written exam?

yeah true...

but i think learning it, yeah. tested on it.. um... whatever!!!

I disagree, its not alot to learn.. I think we need to set a standard. It makes for a better country in the long term.. Look at the future outcome and the country your children will grow up in.

I need to learn 3 new languages just to get a cab to my house from the city!!!!

Im sorry , but if you want to come , put in some effort

if you cant be bothered , you probably cant be bothered getting a job either

learn basic english and get tested in australian history in their own language, that way they should be more australian than half the dim wits born here

you know another thing I would love to know is the proportions of people from different countries they are allowing in?????????????

is it random or what!

that would be interesting to knowl.

Why wouldnt you want to learn English if you want to live in a English dominat speaking country like this one? Its only going to make your day to day life alot easier. But in saying that English is apparently one of the hardest languages to learn.

BWAHHHHH thats so true!!!

but i think if they have the basic knowledge it could get them better jobs etc

I would say in the last year and a half, we've been getting a majority of Ugandan/Tanzanian immigrants as well as a mild proportion of Southern European people here.

That is true. Many foreigners (particularly ones from asia and some parts of russia)cant pronounce certain letters in our alphabet for example R is pronounced L, T is pronounced D, V becomes P and so on.

Thats not true. Basic knowledge of English normally equates to a low-skilled job. Foreigners that have been brought up in good schooling and had a good job in there country of origin tend to get better jobs here as they're considered "skilled" and they add to the shortage of people we need in certain industries.

Also on this subject, apparently they're considering adding the following topics to the test:
1. the system of government
2. the legal system
3. voting procedures
4. rights and responsibilities of citizenship
5. history and geography
6. equality of men and women
7. religious and ethnic diversity
8. customs and traditions
9. values of society
10. aspects of everyday life (eg; transport, accomodation, health and employment)

i think they should be taught this, (how they would do it i don;t know) but when some people come here they have NO idea about how things work. good nderstandning would help them intergrate

I still dont know how some things work.

if we go to another country we have to live by their laws and observe their tradidtions.

why should it be different if they come here?

yes english should be known. as who will employ an un english speaking person in australia to work with others??

pauline hanson had a lot of good poinits. but she wasnt a good politition. if u look at the polices that have come out since her departure alot of them embrace the core of what she was saying. its just been buttered up a bit to make it more acceptable to the general public.



theres a thread on another forum that explains alot about racism..

called " why can only white people be racist" or something similer..

shows the inequalities in judgments between races. where as the white is always accused of racism even if the 'other' uses the same if not more so crude/judgmental language expressions.


look at the english.. before the Aashes compaign there was even a law case put forward to ban the word POM and to put it up on the level of racism such as nigger coon and abbo.

what a croc of shit.

Hay Del i see your point but to me i dont think it has to do with racism....

The gumbyment is tryn to set some standards to be elligible to become an aussie citizen or live here. Off course if thay come over in Australia thay should like the rest of us obey the laws. Thats just where ever you go in what ever country. But if people want to become an Australian yeah people should learn some basic language skills and abit about our history and thay we australians are. Thay should respect our culture and our way of living but we also should respect there culture and there way of living. No one is saying thay should change there way thay should just put some sought of effot in at getting to know the way of Australia as we are a different country from where thay come from. Personally i love multi culturism. It gives you a chance to learn of others just like thay learn from me.

there have been huge wars in Africa as some of you may already know

unfortunatly i hear there is a new trend.....


Families take in Female Refugee's from Africa

Get them Pregnant

Be supportive untill they have the child

Take the $4000 from them
"you have been staying here all this time, this is what you owe us'

and then kick them out




UTTER CRAP! THIS MAKES ME SO ANGRY


i have recently met a girl who has had this happen to her!
she is now all alone! no support! no money!

and to make it worse.... all her family have been killed in the war or died of disease since she has come out to Australia

how can people take money from people who have nothing and lost everyone they love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

very sad! very cruel!

AND THIS IS HAPPENING IN AUSTRALIA!!!!!! It's farking disgusting, that disturbs me alot

This is the first time that I have ever heard about this. This is absolutely wrong and I'm hoping is a rare case; and will not be common practice. It's just really difficult for me to understand why someone or some people would take advantage of somebody elses hardship for their own gains. It sickens me that someone would do this to another person that has already endured the hardships of coming from a famine-struck/wartorn country to a great opportunistic country like ours and being blatantly disappointed in "us". No wonder foreigners like to stick to their own.

ME VEWWY VEWWY ANGWY

I an sceptical of this woman and her sob story, hope you did not give her any money

I am sure she gets some money

not a scam, she is currently living in a womens shelter for homeless mothers who are pregnant or have children ( i am doing work placement there).

we cant give them money, but we help them to legally access the money they are entitled to (ie centrelink) ...so yes, she does get the pension and any other benefits she is entitled to

i have been told by the workers at this place that this is not the first time they have heard of this happening

however it is refreshing to see the love she has for her child as there are mothers in this shelter who do not share this same passion for their children

Saddam Hussein executed

http://au.news.yahoo.com/061230/2/11x2n.html

cool!!


still dont agree with the hanging tho!!

for what he has done. death is too cheap. as much as i detest violence. these sorts of peopel need to be publicly flogged shamed and thern slaughtered like they have done to hundreds/thousands of innocent people in their own and other countrys.

set an example.

look at the muslim cleric and the bali bombers.. see how easy they are getting it.

frkn disgraceful!@

Not really. I picked it up in less than 6 months in America, and my father taught himself with English books in Russia. Its a difficult language, but definitely not one of the hardest. A lot depends what your first language is too, Some languages have a similar sound to them. People from Asian countries find english more difficult than others. I know that Japanese is one of the hardes, up there with German and Russian.

i dissagree del

he was an aweful person yes. but i dont think two wrongs make a right
i think he is now gone and people can move on with their lives

he has destroyed many people, but i dont think that getting revenge will do anything

all it will do is anger his followers and create more trouble!

he is a monser, but he is now a dead monster

personally i dont think setting an example will do much... these people are brain washed! ..they dont fear death or torture, they are brainwashed not to

religion is a cult!

He would have died eventually anyway, doing it now just makes for bigger peace of mind in most people's mind. In jail, he would have gotten many luxuries, cable tv, food, shower etc. Underground, all he gets is dirt and hopefully a visit with the devil!

The people that he killed didn't get a choice on if they died or not, so why should he?

for what he has done. death is too cheap. as much as i detest violence. these sorts of peopel need to be publicly flogged shamed and thern slaughtered like they have done to hundreds/thousands of innocent people in their own and other countrys.

set an example.

look at the muslim cleric and the bali bombers.. see how easy they are getting it.

frkn disgraceful!@

im saying he should have died rob, but i dont agree with what del is saying about public floggings etc

if it angers his followers then it could cause more problems

its better its over than dragged out causing more hurt for those involved

Sounds like you're talking about one particular religion there .. which is by no means evidence that religion is a cult.

There's more than one religion, remember - and they vary by ridiculous amounts. Sweeping, general statements (such as: religion is a cult) are pointless

As far as a new current affair .. what does everyone think about John Howard's endorsement of nuclear power (or at least a report that supports nuclear power). What do you personally think about nuclear power in Australia? Let's hear it

i was talking about religion as a whole, not any one in particular. i dont like religions

ok so not every religion....just heaps

Okay, I'll hear you out.

Which religions are cults, and please give at least once sentence to describe what cult-like characteristics they have.

I think Miss Vixen means 'Organised religion" as a whole... maybe

That still doesn't offer any sort of example as to why they're cult-like!

.. but if we're talking frankly, I was just stirring the pot/playing devil's advocate

And on the Nuclear subject...Its only a matter of time, technology advances will eventually make it less "dangerous" and will provide the much needed alternative fuel australia needs.... I believe in looking after our environment ethically but Im no tree hugger...



I know...I enjoy doing it as well...

But if you want an example...there is that religion of the "orange people" and some of the obscure mormons who marry each other in southern USA...

jutsin there is a whole thread dedicated to religion...i have expressed my dislike for it in there

and groover, yes that was what i meant

best thing said in this thread!

yes i also dont see the point in 99% of religion, they are scams and cults and all sorts of crap.....BUT there not all bad like buddists (and others) who are peaceful and only want to relax and better themselves not sell there religion like most others

and i really really dout theres a god or any type of deity.

i say the universe created itself and is continuing to do so (cant spell)

and yes im all go for nuclear power its gonna get us out of alot of strife i say

This post has been edited by ravingham: Dec 30 2006, 08:00 PM

i think people are getting confused with the religion itself and the 'dogma' or church that goes along with it. Most religions in principle are beautiful... it's how people try to force/implement them where it can get tedious

PLEASE CLICK AND READ

I think this article here is very important and I want to know what everybody's views are. A man standing up for himself against his fellow countrymen and the world.

You join the army to serve your country. You are there to train so you have the edge over other people. You do not question your superiors you take orders and do them. Fair enough he has an opinion and it might be just a valid one but the army is a place to obey and act. Not to question.

I hear on the radio this morning that Mr. Bush might be sending in another 40,000 troops into Iraq. Well i wander how Mr. Howard is going to follow? Will we be sending in more?

Good point harley. He did join to serve his country and to obey the orders of his superior officers. Thats one of the main things involved in military service and if you don't like/ can't do that then like me the armed forces aren't for you.

I do however take my hat off to his strength of caracter in standing up so strongly for what he believes in. I do think that him doing what he's doing in this way though will not help the war on "terror" and it will certainly not help him as the article states there are penalties for not carrying out orders etc. I wish him the best of luck but his methods leave much to be desired.

This post has been edited by BOOSTING: Jan 5 2007, 07:39 AM

hi all its been a while since i posted

but for religion i too believe its a cult and that one day some man was skitz and started hearing voices in his head and though hey lets call him god....

but i do believe in faith and i do belive we came from somewhere but not a single man or entity i believe we are a cancer if you will (experiment) put hewre to eat away our planet like a virus once done we move on to the next one start again.
that is why i am all for saving the environment if we don't start today there will be no tomorrow

Well, on the IRAQ topic. Its hard to say no to going to a war when you're conscripted or signed up to the army, but at the same time, the war is sh*t and i understand why he is acting the way he has. I think i'd rather 6years prison than live with killing innocent people.

Thay are not actually over there fighting thay are more "peace keepers" but i do agree with you cause the way thay got in the country wasnt very peacefull

here WE'RE FORCING PEACE ON YOU!!! HAVE SOME PEACE NOW!! HERE I AM WITH MY GUN, BETTER BE PEACE HERE OR THERE IS TROUBLE YOU HEAR!!

Im not condoning what thay are doing if it wasnt for the oil the country would be left to shit like other countrys in Africa. Just saying thay are there at the moment to try and restore peace and force the western way after thay blown the farking country to smithereins to force there way into the country. But where there is war innocent people will always be killed. Thats war and thats why we shouldnt go to war.

and speaking of oil and the related evils:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1823145.htm

drilling for oil on OUR yorke's peninsula! i know we have deposits everywhere in this country and other "valuable" minerals and stuff, but I for one don't like the idea of oil platforms anywhere near innes national park. the beaches there are clean and clear, but for how long?

get down and see innes while you can

LOL! pretty much

the war is about oil and money and oil and money and oil to sell for money




bush was wanting war to free the people??
that would require a politician to have a heart LOL (thats heaps funny)

Anyone been following the news concerning the Aboriginal gang??

No, i heard a bit about them tho.. one of my workmates friend works at a Servo and saw a bunch of aboriginals rock up at his servo in a brand new car with no plates..

first thing he did was lock the doors and didn't allow them into the shop, then he called the cops.. apparently that was the group going around.. the cops were suprised he recognised them!

Yeah...it's kinda nerve-racking to know that there are people like that running around committing that sort of crap. I think we need harsher and longer sentences for repeat offenders.

Breast beer sells like hot cakes

EUROPEAN men are flocking to Bulgaria to buy "breast-boosting beer" after the country's accession to the EU has meant that customs duties on the tipple have been abolished.

The millet-based ale called Boza allegedly makes women's breasts bigger, but was previously expensive.

Now thousands of tourists are travelling to the Bulgarian border town of Ruse to buy Boza for their wives and partners.

I definately agree with you there.. obviously the punishment isn't harsh enough... look at half these offenders.. they are all repeat offenders, and some of these first offences commited as young as 10 years old!

But i also think that maybe the government need to look at more rehabilitaion, prevention in these aboriginal communities.

The funniest thing about that has to be the fact that all these girls PARTNERS are flocking to buy the beer for them...

Sheesh...When will guys be happy?

What I'd like to know though is it actually scientifically proven that it causes your breasts to grow, and if so how did they test this? Guinea pigs with huge jugs?

Well, all i can say is maybe they used what they use to make the chickens grow at the KFC lab.. Cause i was flat as a tack when i started working there then... Yeah... Mmm roids...

Anything thats a gimick will make people want to try it.. Meh why not!

Haha girls at high school used to say that Chicken makes your boobs grow...I still don't know if I beleive that though

And true...Gimicks always sell

They grow if you massage them

No they don't...

What i dont understand there are gangs off all types but the aboriginal ones are the ones that are getting pointed out in this presence of time. What happend about the news about the people doing ram raids on chemists that hapnd a few weeks ago? There where a couple more last night but it is getting shadowed by these "Aboriginal Gangs" wonder why there is ao much animosity going around. The media just loves a story and thay will run with it

racism sells papers - sad but true. middle australia is pretty redneck, even if they won't admit it. crack heads ramming chemists is not nearly as exciting as racial tension, and the way such incidents are portrayed in our media is not improving racial harmony one bit. someone want to disagree? check out todays coverage of australian open violence (even kochie laying into them on racial grounds this morning on sunrise!)

ps: i have seen racial gangs and know some of what they can do, but they sure aint limited to black or white

Yes Toby i very much agree with what you said about the media creating racial disharmony. It's just how most of Australia didn't mind Islamic people, now becauase of the media and 9/11, people are afraid and make them feel unwanted i.e. look at the riots in Sydney (i think it was last year??)

But Gangs in general do get a lot of media coverage, black or white. And there are quite a few of them. I guess they get more noticed in a group rather than being a lone criminal. Then again so many crimes are committed by individuals alone, and they tend to get no coverage at all - unless it's on crime stoppers But as always, western society harbours a bandaid method dealing with it's problems. Perhaps helping the Aboriginal communities with education, job placement, and intergrating them into 'white culture' if you will, will lead to less time spent in crime, and more of them working for themselves, to make their future brighter

I have to strongly disgree with the whole intergrating them into white culture bit - that's how they got like this in the first place!!! Nothing makes me angrier than whites thinking their way is the only or best way - and that is exactly why the media are so successful in their attempts to highlight racial disharmony.
If we'd done the right thing but the Aboriginals when our ancestors first got here there wouldn't be an issue.. they'd be just as happy left alone by the white fella's and able to walkabout at will... no wonder they have so many issues now - our way is not their way and why the hell should it be???
Toby is so right - we're all just rednecks at heart.
Aboriginals have all the resources the rest of Australia do - ever occur to anyone that they just might not want to be white on the inside??!! Steal their culture and make them conform - sure that's the answer - it's worked so well in the past after all!

Having said that I fully agree with people wanting to live in this country being able to speak english, that is our dominant language and the black fella's speak it thanks to the whites who forced it on them all those moons ago... too late to change that now and lets face it, one language for all makes it easier - however, I dont believe that other cultural differences ought to be stripped from those of another race just so they can live here. It defeats the entire purpose of Australia being the multicultural hub it touts itself to be.

This post has been edited by mich: Jan 16 2007, 08:21 AM

yeah that is true mich - they were fine until they were introduced to things like drugs/alcohol/all our diseases etc... which they are unable to deal with. It's hard to say what is best. Because they are in our society, they need to be on par with us to survive. But compared to many white Australians, many of the Aboringinal people are uneducated - not all, but some. So they either need to be educated enough to survive in our culture, or at leats be educated enough to understand the resources available to them. Or they would be better off back in the bush where they started. - i mean this in a very non-racial way; there a lot of Aboriginal people who live this way, and are happy.

Says who?? you? why do they have to be?? - had whites not come here who's to say they wouldn't have carried on as they did for those thousands of years before white settlement in australia and survived just as well.... they were here for thousands of years before whites and did just fine by their own standards.. why should the white mans standard be the only measure??? I also disagree that the majority are uneducated - perhaps they are by white mans standard but it's all relative. I'd much rather be stuck in a desert with a black fella than some white guy with a uni degree.
As far as going back to the bush and living as before I bet a fair few of them would love to do exactly this but according to the all knowing whites this isn't appropriate and they get moved on from their land so whites can settle and ruin the pristine beauty that was once Australia with all their "knowledge". Hardly fair to send them back now that whites have raped the land of it's natural resources

This post has been edited by mich: Jan 16 2007, 08:36 AM

education doesn't help unless it is directed towards something. if someone doesn't want to learn it doesn't matter who they are ... and to be honest there is nothing stupid about the indigineous people, they picked up on centrelink pretty fast, but it must be very difficult to change your way of life in a short space of time. to go from walkabout picking fruit and spearing roos, to using plastic cards to buy prepackaged goods, is a pretty big leap which i don't think anyone fully comprehends.

i think that in terms of integration, it is just as important that we white fellas appreciate the indigenous way of life, as it is that our modern lifestyle is appreciated, and that we just keep talking about it until we find a way in which we can all do whatever it is we need to do. tough one ...

and walkabout is more than a way of life, it is survival in this hot bitch of a country



this topic is not black and white. what is done is done and no-one can turn back the clock. the locals have been exposed to a culture far beyond their wildest dreams, and the settlers have overlooked the simplicity of the pre-existing lifestyle. the land is now permanently changed (not for the better) and the nomadic lifestyle would not be appropriate now as there are no natural stocks of food etc.

so let's work with what we have, and somehow combine technology with natural understanding to help everyone get where they need to be ...

It really just get me pead at them constantly getting singled out. Yep thay have there bad apples just like everyone but it seems that people rather run with that all the time. There are other groups of people that do just as bad or even worse and i have seen it 1st hand but when they get caught it never seems to get the coverage or attention like this does. It might do but in my opinion it doesnt.

Got this from another forum. Boy does this make me feel uterly wild and pissed off

'Cruel' cops shot family pet

30nov06
Two NT policemen have not been prosecuted for shooting a dog after tying it to a tree.
An inquiry recommended the men be summonsed under the Animal Welfare Act.
But police last night said the officers had been subjected only to ``internal disciplinary action''. The first officer fired at the family pet from close range but missed.
A shot from the second officer passed through the dog's neck _ depriving it of the ability to bark _ and cut the rope.
The animal ran home to its master with blood pumping out of the entry and exit bullet wounds.
Ombudsman Carolyn Richards, who investigates complaints against Territory Government departments, said she was ``appalled''. Dog-owning Police Minister Chris Burns said he was also appalled.
The incident happened after police in an unnamed ``remote locality'' went to a house to arrest a man's son on an outstanding warrant.
A struggle started and the family dog bit one of the officers. The police decided the dog was a ``vicious animal'' and should be put down.
The owners said the officers did not fully explain that they were going to kill the animal and they were ``coerced'' into letting them take it away.
The dog was taken into the bush, tied to a tree and shot. After the first shot, the pet was ``jumping all over the place''.
The police found out that the dog had returned home, but decided against seizing it again.
The Joint Review Committee _ made up of police and staff from the Ombudsman's office _ investigated the case and found the officers had made ``misleading'' statements and been inhumane.
It recommended internal disciplinary action and prosecution

and that is my thought exactly - instead of singling them out try and work with them rather than force them to conform. Our way is not always going to be the right way and there will always be clashes - there needs to be cooperation on both parts and in the past the aboriginal community have bent over backwards to adapt to the white way because they are told they have to - how about a little more consideration the other way??! Happy mediums all round!!!



that is just deplorable... not to mention down right cruel! Why they get away with it when no one else would is beyond me!!

This post has been edited by mich: Jan 16 2007, 10:10 AM

Mich - i agree with everything you're saying. Like, what was done is wrong, but like Toby said, not a great deal can be done about it. When i said they could return to the bush, i meant it in the best way possible. I have spoken to many aboriginal people who have lived the bush life, and only sometimes venture into the cities. I think it would be an amazing way to live. I think the 'white' people have forgotten the nomadic and spiritual ancestery that they had. Which is a shame, because maybe we'd be able to understand these people better if we could only appreciate why they do what they do.

Yep thats what im hoping to do in July with my mate and his dad. Learn the way they live. Ive just been told not to do law by my mates cusion. But we will see when i get up there

I'm not attacking anyone!!!! Though I disagree that not a lot can be done about it. It is never too late to attempt to understand their culture and way of life better and to show some gratitude towards them and their ancestors for allowing our ancestors to settle in this country. Nor is it too late to change individual attitudes about how they are perceived in our society. I would never attempt to force upon their children the white mans enducation system... history shows that this is rarely a good thing for them and while there are exceptions to the rule on the whole they will always find it difficult to "be like us" purely and simply because they are not like us and should never feel they have to be. Diversity is what makes the world go round. This extends to all other cultures as well. Rather than buying into the media hype about certain ethnic types more needs to be done to show the press that this stereotyping is not ok and that we wont buy into it. We all have prejudices, it's human nature to hold them, it's what you do and how you treat others in light of this that counts though. Prejudice should be used as a self education tool to help YOU learn more about others. Not to force others to be more like you.
The greatest folly of the white man is their belief that they are superior to all and sundry - including each other! Sure assist aboriginals to integrate if THEY want to but I will never agree to forced education at the detriment of the individual anymore than I agree with forcing religious beliefs onto others.

This is just my opinion and I can be as racist as the next person given the amunition... the issue is no where near as simple as black and white so everyone will have different thoughts - which is a good thing - that whole diversity thing again!

This post has been edited by mich: Jan 16 2007, 11:26 AM

i dont think anybody said you were attacking them

but i think you use too many exclamtion points, and a lot is TWO words

you're just exclamaphobic

Look what I started?!?!

heated but healthy discussion is good

continuing on from the whole 49 Aboriginal gang thing...

They really need to increase more harsher penalties and lengthy sentences. There is a very small percentage that I'd dare say will gain anything from rehabilitation.

My friend at work is still in constant pain from the car crash that she was seriously injured in. You all remember it. The two Aboriginal youths who stole a car and crashed into her car at the Main North Road and Grand Junction Road intersection some years back. Well the driver of the stolen vehicle was released on parole and reoffended again not so long after the incident.

yeah that sucks. But some people don't learn. And it may not necessarily be because they're 'bad people', some people just need to learn lessons differently.

In any circumstance, i think harsher penalties for multiple offenses should be implemented. (if it's already not)

cause if a 2 year term isn't enough time to learn something, then obviously they could be a danger to others

Of course this goes for anyone of any gender, background etc... not just the situation talked about.

well what happened was he was given 4 years but was back on the streets after just 3months. Our judicial system is really messed-up

FROM ANOTHER FORUM I VISIT

Staff at one of the Australian Defence Force's largest weapon storage facilities have for years allegedly been involved in stealing and rebirthing military issue firearms and selling them to outlaw motorcycle clubs.
The claims are made in secret police intelligence documents that have been leaked to The Australian newspaper.
Despite the seriousness of the allegations, no one has been identified or charged over the allegations.

The documents show that Defence officials knew almost a decade ago that the National Storage Distribution Centre, at Moorebank, in Sydney's southwest, had become a target for numerous thefts of machine guns and automatic assault rifles.
The confidential report says that "staff in the armoury" at the Moorebank centre were involved in the theft and rebirthing of military firearms and some staff "were in collusion with outlaw motorcycle gangs".
"The Army Intelligence and Security Unit has indicated that problems have been experienced in weapon storage units ... and between 1980 and March 1994 there were 104 separate incidents of theft of firearms," the report says.
Although Australian Federal Police were called in to investigate, not only has no one been charged, but none of the weapons have been recovered.

The revelations about the extent of the thefts and the failure to recover the weapons comes as NSW and federal police continue their hunt for six stolen rocket launchers which, with the suspected help of a outlaw motorcycle group, allegedly ended up in the hands of a criminal gang and an accused terror suspect, Mohammad Elomar.

The Australian has also 'discovered' that NSW police had seized another rocket launcher from a gang in Sydney's southwest in 2001. Members of the strikeforce hunting for the missing weapons are now going back over police files to determine whether that rocket launcher is linked to the others.

A Defence spokeswoman said that investigations in 1999 into the weapon thefts had not "concluded that any Steyr (assault rifles) ... were lost, stolen or missing".

However, there was criticism about Defence's poor practices and procedures in relation to storage, distribution and disposal of weapons.

The spokeswoman said that Defence had since changed its management of weapons and had undertaken a "successful rigorous remediation program".

The Moorebank centre, 26km southwest of Sydney, has been operated by a series of private contractors alongside regular members of the ADF and the public service.

Moorebank is one of the nation's major defence centres, acting as a warehouse and distribution point for the ADF.

The armoury keeps a range of weapons including pistols, assault rifles and machine guns.

Details about how the missing rocket launchers fell into the hands of a crime gang and an alleged terror suspect were revealed in a Sydney court earlier this month after accused Sydney arms dealer Taha Abdul Rahman, 28, was charged with 17 offences, including unauthorised possession of a prohibited weapon and unauthorised supply of a prohibited weapon.

It is alleged that Mr Abdul Rahman sold seven rocket launchers to Sydney underworld figure Adnan Darwiche, who allegedly kept two of the rockets and then sold five to Mr Elomar.

Mr Elomar, who is facing terrorism-related charges after being arrested in the nation's biggest anti-terrorism crackdown, Operation Pendennis, allegedly talked about using the shoulder-fired anti-tank missiles to blow up the NSW parliament and Lucas Heights nuclear reactor, in southern Sydney.

The rocket launchers were stolen from the army some time after they were imported from Norway in 1991.

Since it was established that the rocket launchers were stolen from the army, the Defence Security Authority and ASIO have been given the task of conducting a nationwide audit of the ADF's weapons and munitions stocks.

The police strikeforce hunting for the rocket launchers 'believe' that a member of Australia's biggest outlaw motorcycle club, the Rebels, is at the centre of the network that is involved in the theft and sale of the weapons.

this has been floating around for some time... they also thought some "terrorist" gang was behind it at some stage. It's a worry that our defence forces don't know what stock they have where!!

.. on another note, there's much talk at the moment surrounding the australian flag being discouraged at the Sydney BDO.... sad times when we can't display pride in our country by wearing a flag at a music event... more sad is that the wearers can't be trusted not to cause trouble and misrepresent the flag or that others will find it so offensive that people are wearing that it leads to racial violence... what happened to multicultural australia!

well i knew the bikies had guns and shit but not farking rocket launchers!

someone told me that the bikies own a large amount of the police so i dont think they will ever get them back

Yep i heard that on the radio this morning. Also i heard it will be ok for other flags to be let in but not the Australian one. That just sux

yeah just reading on yahoo....what a load of trash! pssh, what will they do next, ban australian tattoos or hats or tshirts?

but at least its only sydney

From The advertiser

January 22, 2007 01:15am

THE Australian flag has been branded a "gang colour" and symbol of hate - and will be banned from this year's Big Day Out event in Sydney.

The Advertiser has learned that organisers of the Aussie rock festival will confiscate any flag or bandana bearing the national symbol at the gate.
Labelling Sydney a racist melting pot, producers of the event said it would be the only city in the nationwide event to be subject to the draconian action.

Promoters have already moved the event from the traditional Australia Day gig to a day earlier to avoid nationalistic overtones.

Spooked by last year's event, which came only weeks after the Cronulla riots, organisers will outlaw flags being brandished as a "gang" colours.

Big Day Out patrons were intimidated and harassed at the Sydney event on Australia day in 2006 by bigoted fans brandishing flags and demanding people kiss and pledge allegiance to them.

Premier Morris Iemma reacted angrily to the ban claiming the promoters should "reverse their decision immediately".

"If they pulled this on Independence day in the U.S. imagine what would happen . . . its just ridiculous," he said.

"It is a ridiculous decision and I never thought I'd see the day when a promoter would ask young Australian people to celebrate Australian artists but not identify with their national flag."

But event producer Ken West said the escalation of flags being used at last year's event after the Cronulla riots and the recent clashes between Serb and Croatian fans at the Australian Open tennis had forced his hand.

"I didn't like the behaviour of last year, and we have moved the event from Australia Day this year partly because of the way the flags were used," said Mr West.

"The Australian flag was being used as gang colours - it was racism disguised as patriotism . . . and I'm not going to tolerate it."

Mainstream headline act Jet have a black and white version of the flag as the backdrop for their set.

Frontman Nic Cester said that they had used this version of the flag to display their pride in being Australian particularly as they spend the bulk of their time overseas.

"We as a band are very proud to be Australian and we don't want to feel we are not allowed to feel proud because of the disgusting actions of people who don't represent Australia in my mind," he said.

easy solution is to just ban australians from australian events

yeah no shit thats wat it will get like

all this shite wouldnt happen if ppl were just farking nice to each other but no thats way to hard

I just hope it doesn't extend to other states. I get why they've banned it there - there are a huge bunch of yobbo's who drape themselves in the flag, get messy every year and stir up trouble and with the riots and other racial tensions in NSW at the moment it's understandable as they know they can't trust that group to behave.... if it extends to here I'll be writing a letter... we're not a part of the eastern states and their tensions at the moment and shouldn't be lumped in with them.
I also think that if they're banning one flag they ought to ban them all - it's kind of discriminatory to only single out one race.

yeah its pretty fraked.. this is australia....

honestly, australia is our team, if you aren't gonna support your team, get teh frak out of the stadium

Agreed, if people want to act like children, treat them like children.

(i've got half a mind to send them all to bed without any dinner...)

i agree with Mich...
it's just so ridiculous banning it cuz it construes "gang" colours.
There are other flags with the same COLOURS....
like America for one.. England... even Malaysia... and they only pick on australia's.

i bet if we wear an aussie flag at a music festival in their country we will be murdered!

Its so fraked to be an australian in australia some times.

if u can't even be australian in australia... like the true nationality of that country in that country... then the world seriously has a problem.

i relaly need the time to read this thread properly, but just a point of reference to some one spost above.. about the aboriginal gangs, and also bout gangs doing break in on chemists

they are one and the same.

one of my best mates works high up in a security company, and spends half hsi work time dealing with teh destruction caused by these aboriginals.

idiots even took teh wrong cold n flue tablets.. no ephadrine in half of what they stole.

will read and post more when i have the proper time to get in depth in this.

good thread!!

From the Big Bay Out website


Australia Press Releases
Clarification on the Flag Issue

The Big Day Out would like to offer the following to clarify its position on “flag banning” at the Sydney show.

Contrary to the reports in the media, it was never our intention to disrespect the symbolism of the Australian or any other flag.

In recent times, there has been an increased incidence of flags brandished inconsiderately and this has led to increased tension. Our only goal in discouraging this activity at the Big Day Out is to ensure that our patrons are not subjected to or inconvenienced by this behaviour.

We have no problem with people being patriotic, and we certainly do not have a problem with people wearing or displaying what they feel is important. Regardless of how it has been interpreted, this is about audience safety and enjoyment.

With all this in mind and the aim to create a happy, peaceful MUSICAL event, organisers would like to request that fans please leave large flags at home. The substantial increase of flags brought to large public events such as the Big Day Out is becoming excessive and has created complex issues including but not limited to sight line problems.

This is simply a request, not a command.

The Big Day Out is not an Australia Day event, but a music festival showcasing music artists from around the world and aspires to unify people through music.

On the whole, Big Day Out audiences have been extremely well behaved and we hope that this has clarified this situation.

Unfortunately the media reports yesterday were not quoted accurately and we must thank the participating media for wasting everybody’s time including the Prime Minister John Howard, Premier Morris Iemma, NSW RSL President Don Rowe, Keysar Trad (a confidant of the Mufti Sheik Taj el-Dene Elhilaly) and Burt Lane of the Australian National Flag Association….

tee hee hee - damage control that should never have had to happen if it weren't for the media once again taking things all out of proportion. I agree with the request not to have large flags there - we all want to see the acts - no one wants to be blocked by a bunch of yobbo's and their large flags... fair call that the media turned into a racist slur. Stupid really!
On the up side the focus on sniffer dogs and drugs has been vertially non existent!!!

It's an australian festival - the flag shoud be there somewhere - up a pole at least, just like the german flag should be at shitzenfaced or the greek flag at glendi etc..

This post has been edited by jUsTiNcAsE: Jan 22 2007, 02:01 PM

Hay mich i agree with all what your saying but i think youl find he is must have some quilty aspects about him. They did find him training with the Tailiban but that was before 9/11. I heard he is a army freak and couldnt get into our arm forces so he went to afghanstan to train with them. Proberlly a bad move of himself but still i agree 100% with what you have said


Here is a link to his support site

http://www.fairgofordavid.org/

And then i got this from another site that i visit

What does an old soldier think of David Hicks?
Sunday 04 February, 2007 - 10:13 by Cav

I don’t care about David Hicks.

I can understand a father’s concern for his son. But I have no idea if Hicks is an idiot; or is just plain dangerous.

Maybe he is a dangerous idiot?

But I do know this – if he were caught during WWI or WWII he would have been shot there and then. So he is lucky to be alive.

The Vietnam War changed the public's perception of warfare. Suddenly people realised that war was horrible. But the Vietnam War was a picnic compared to the big ones before it. The Vietnam War also gave status to those who opposed OUR BOYS. I find this unbelievable. Posties wouldn’t send mail to the soldiers. Wharfies wouldn’t load supplies for the troops. University students sent aid to the enemy. Everyone sat back and did NOTHING!

Unbelievable!

Even now celebrities do not support our troops, except the fantastic Beccy Cole. The bastards. But I digress.

So Hicks will get his day in court, he will return to Australia, write a book; and the only uncertainty is who will play the lead in a film about him. Russell perhaps?

We are a civilised nation of course and everyone has rights and must be treated fairly according to the rules. But wait a minute. What happens when the other side doesn’t have any rules? They don’t wear uniforms. They don’t care about the Geneva Convention. Only our side must abide by the rules. Our answer to their slitting westerner’s throats and parading them on TV was to put undies on their heads and take a few piccies. For that heinous crime, soldiers went to jail. But somehow we couldn’t find anyone in charge to blame, just the soldiers. I dunno what happened to the “freedom fighters.” Maybe they are at university in America now.

I think the answer is simple. We play by their rules. If they slit the throats of civilians and air it on television, we should do the same. If they blow up civilians, we should do the same. Fight like with like. This may come as a surprise to some people but war is about killing. After we kill thousand of them, and they kill thousand of us, we begin to realise how futile it is and it stops.

It’s happened before.

It IS true, history does repeat itself, over and over again.

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I know we don't know if he has done anything wrong, but like I said he obvioulsy has done something to get him where he is, I just don't see why we have to bring him back over here for a trial.

Why can't they give him a trial over there?

I do understand where you guys are coming from i'm just sick of hearing about it, my mum keeps going on about it and its driving me insane

allot of what they allege he has admitted to was done during interrogation, any admission of guilt under those circumstances has to be shaky at best. And it's the reason why, when they went to lay charges against him before it got thrown out of court. All evidence of admission has to date been heresay and given under interrogation.
I also don't necessarily agree that he needs to be bought back here for a trial. Ideally that should happen, but his legal team aren't even pushing for that. All they want are charges laid and a fair trial - regardless of where it's held. It's not that they can't do it over there, more that they wont because they know they don't have a strong enough to achieve the result they want yet.

That guy saying we ought to play it the way they do - to me that's just plain wrong. We're a civilised society and I'd like for us to stay that way. this isn't the dark ages. The eye for an eye theory just doesn't cut it anymore because nothing is that black and white. Just because they do it doesn't mean we have to sink to that level!

I think most people are sick of hearing about it but better that than we all forget about it and lose sight of how precious life and our freedom is.

So over David Hicks...there are many Aussies in jails overseas and I don;t see anyone making a fuss about bringing them home for a fair trial.

Do we have the same level of sympathy for the other ppl in guantamo bay? they were probably caught in similar circumstances...yet we only worry about our poor little aussie and how sketchy his capture is...as if they would let the general public know if they had anything on him anyway.

meh!

just execute him and get it over and done with.... no remorse, no repent we don't care what it mean't, another day, another death, another sorrow, another breath!!!

So after yesterdays horrific crash with those morons who where tryn to get away from the cops in the hottie what are you thoughts of police backing of and letting them go and catching up with them later on? My thoughts is that the cops should back of especially if they have the cop helicopter out following them. No need to push these drug crazed oxygen theifs to the limits where they did yesterday and killing and innocent bloke on his way to work. Not saying its the cops fault as they wernt driving. Just saying maybe they can just back off and radio ahead and they will catch them for sure. Whats the worse that can happen if they back off?? They get away..... Whats the worse if they keep pushing them??? Well i let the picture tell the story. So what are your thoughts on this?

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0...5006301,00.html

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i tend to agree harley, they seem to be causing more trouble than harm in the relentless pursuit of these idiots who are in a state that doesn't allow them to think clearly and rationally. You can't argue with irrational people, the cops ought to back off and hunt 'em down later.

another one for the firing squad!!!!! Fukker!!!!!

I thought that Police were MEANT to back off when a Police Chase reaches a certain speed...

And if I'm wrong, then yes, they definitely should...

The more they chase the more the chasee is going to run...

Have some common sense piggies!!

I agree! With the modern technologies and radios these days cops will be able to tail them and trace them later one when they've stopped.
No sense in killing innocent pple along the way cuz to catch irrational people who aren't gunna listen to them anyway cuz they're in a state.

I grew up in the area where they stole the car from. Good old Mansfield Park. And i hear that they stole the car by jacking it by threating the bloke with a knife. This was on friday night. They went and did a fuel runner at the shell on grand junction and then got into a chase and evaded the police that night on Hanson road. They had the car for 3 days. Surely they couldnt hide from the cops that long unless they hid the car aound some ones house. What where to police doing?? A car jacking with a knife and they couldnt find them in 2 days?
Also we should be doing what they do in America. The 2 girls in a car are charged with illegal use of a motor car. Why dont they charge them with grand theft auto. "Illegal use" we all can get done in our own cars for "illegal use" and also this dick brain been out on bail for the 3rd time?? What do they need to do, kill some one before they get serious. The judges are also to blame. Lets crack down on this shit like Mr. Rann promised. Even tho im not a fan of cops they can only do enough with limited resorces its up to the pollies and judges to make it happen. Maybe more cops or less breathos and revenu raising and get them out there and get these a holes

Revenue raising or does it help people slow down??

From the Advertiser

WHEELIE bins hiding speed cameras are catching hundreds of speeding drivers without warning.

Motorists at Echunga last Sunday were caught out by a speed camera hidden in a green wheelie bin.

The operator of the camera, who was sitting in a parked car about 100m away, told a member of the public that he had caught about 350 people speeding during the day.

A spokeswoman for Police Commissioner Mal Hyde confirmed that hidden speed cameras had been operating in the area over the weekend but could not confirm how many drivers had been caught speeding.

Speed camera operators are part of SAPOL's police security section and are not police officers.

The spokeswoman said covert speed cameras had been part of SA Police's anti-speeding strategy for several years.

"We use a number of different camouflages and disguises for our covert operations to suit the purpose," she said.

"There are a whole lot of different housings that we use for cameras.

"There's obviously no secret that we are using covert cameras. We can't say what we use to hide cameras because that would ruin the whole point of them being covert." The spokeswoman said the camera used at Echunga over the weekend was not the same type trialled in the city early last year, although that camera had also been referred to as a "wheelie-bin" camera.

The German-imported "container camera" was housed in a grey, steel box on wheels and was about the same size as a wheelie bin.

When police were questioned about the introduction of this camera, a spokeswoman denied it would look like a domestic wheelie bin. But no reference was made of the operations of the bin which was photographed by an Advertiser reader at the weekend.

SA Federation of Residents and Ratepayers Association president Kevin Kaeding said hiding speed cameras in wheelie bins was "deceitful". "I don't know if you could get much lower than that," he said.

"It should be totally outlawed. Speed cameras should be visual.

"The warning should be made that there are cameras there and if you do speed, then you will pay.

"With the camera hidden, people will still speed but with cameras in the open and with warnings out there, people will slow down.

"You have to ask if they are there to save lives or just to revenue-raise and in this case, it looks like it's just revenue raising."


http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0...5006301,00.html

Sneaky coppers, they have had these for ages though.. bout time they used the things that they paid millions of tax dollars for.

instead of lowering speed limits... how about they FIX THE fraking ROADS, adelaide roads are terrible. better roads means safer driving.

True dat.

* edit. misread *

Better roads does mean safer driving...But lower speed limits means more agro drivers, therefor MORE road rage, more speeding, etc...More $$$ earnt

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THESE PEOPLE DESERVE TO DIE. SCUM OF THE EARTH OXYGEN THEIFS. AND I HEARD ON LAST NIGHT NEWS THE MAX PENALTY IS 1 YEAR IMPRISSORMENT. YEAH SO REALLY THEY WILL GET AWAY WITH IT. I HOPE THESE SCUM BAG ROT IN HELL



here is the link

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0...285-911,00.html

60 dogs put down after 'horrific find'
March 01, 2007 05:11pm
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SIXTY dogs have been destroyed after what the South Australian RSPCA says is its most horrific case of animal cruelty.

Most had infected wounds and broken bones.

Animal welfare officers yesterday found more than 100 dogs caged on a property in Eudunda, 115km north of Adelaide, RSPCA spokeswoman Aimee McKay said.

The dogs, nearly 30 of which were weeks-old puppies, were in horrific health, Ms McKay said.

Most were suffering from severe conjunctivitis, others were struggling to breath with broken ribs and many had severely infected wounds from fighting each another.

The animals deemed too sick to survive or could not be rehabilitated were put down last night, she said.

Ms McKay said a couple who owned the dogs lived in a caravan on the property and had been reported to the RSPCA before.

She said 20 dogs were seized from the couple last October when they lived in the nearby town of Swan Reach, but the pair fled when officers returned for the remaining 40.

Ms McKay said the find was the worst welfare officers had experienced and staff members were distressed over the state of the animals.

"We have never seen anything like it before – it was a horrific experience for the volunteers and staff of the RSPCA who are naturally animal lovers," she said.

"It is a hugely heartbreaking thing to see."

Ms McKay said it was hoped the puppies and the some of the older dogs could be found new homes.

RSPCA prosecutors had charged a man with four counts of animal cruelty and a woman would be questioned on her role, she said.

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OMG

That's just awful, and sad and disgusting and it makes me so mad!!!

A one year imprisonment isn;t enough, if they get a good lawyer they won't get to serve the whole year. They may get a suspended sentence if there is no prior conviction.

yeh that's f*cking disgusting, people who abuse/kill animals are the lowest form of life and deserve a similar punishment...

yeah its sad, but you get what you give.

karma will get them in the end...


not neccesarily....

people just need to relax is all. and if thats your thought then maybe you need to relax too.

tortoise and the hare story comes to mind here.

What a load of crock that the guy that confessed to punching and pushing Brooke Sachwell get's let off because apparently he's been through enough.

With websites devoted to calling him every name under the son and the focus on him through the media.

Oh and the fact that he was seeing a psychiatrist as regularly as once a day because he's unstable in the head.

He f*cking hit her!

OMG celebrity rules strike again. I wanna be famous so I can go around and deck people, then plead hard done by.

Argh gives me the sh*ts.

I tried to warn you all with my tshirts, stuffed toys and signature blocks... BUT NONE OF YOU LISTENED....

And now it's begun... The invasion...

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/stor...5001028,00.html

OH NO WE'RE ALL FOOKED! head for the hills its killer badgers hahahaahahaha


its like saying the british released attack butterfly's cos there is a catarpillar eating my crops haahahhaahhaa hope the badgers proclaim a JI- HAD on them lmao

Not the killer ones!! hehe

in holland they convicted a guy for having two porno movies, alledged to have underaged actresses... whilst they dont do anything about his wild-ass-crazy-politician on the loose that compares the qu'ran with hitler's mein kampf!!!

plus isnt it crazy that a month ago a gorilla escaped from a zoo here in holland, and has becoma a commercial hype?!?! now everyone here is wearing bokito t-shirts!! haha

This sickens me. Got it of the advertiser today

THE WIDESPREAD use of illegal tests to determine the sex of an unborn child is fuelling a rise in female feticide cases in India.

Sex determination tests through techniques such as ultrasonography and amniocentesis are banned in India, but female fetuses are still commonly killed in some regions where a preference for sons runs deep.

As a result, the government said around 10 million girls have been killed by their parents - either before or immediately after birth - over the past 20 years.

"Sex selection has been the main culprit for the declining female child ratio in the country," Pravir Krishna, a senior official from the ministry of health, said at a meeting on the role of sex selection tests in the killing of female foetuses.

"Technology has given us a lot of benefits, but this is one aspect of technology which has given us a serious problem."

Last month, police discovered 30 polythene bags stuffed with the body parts of female fetuses and newborn babies in a abandoned well near a clinic in eastern India, sparking protests.

In most parts of the country, many people see boys as breadwinners who will look after their parents when they grow up but view daughters as liabilities for whom they will have to pay huge dowries to get married off.

Since technology for monitoring the health of a fetus started in India in the 1980s, many clinics and hospitals have misused it to determine the gender of unborn children, at the request of couples.

If the fetus is found to be a girl, it is often aborted.

Over the last four decades, the child sex ratio has been declining, with the sharpest fall from 1981 onwards.

A 2001 census found there were 927 girls for every 1000 boys aged six or below, compared to 945 to 1000 in 1991.

Social activists say authorities have been slow to implement legislation that has been in force since 1996.

There have been only two convictions - a fine of 300 rupees ($9) and another fine of 4000 rupees ($121) - from over 400 cases lodged under the Pre-conception and Pre-natal Diagnostic Techniques Act.

"Is 300 rupees the cost of a girl in India?" asked Ranjana Kumari, director of the Centre of Social Research, a New Delhi-based think-tank promoting women's empowerment.

"We are obviously not doing enough as we would see many, many more convictions being made."

Officials said it was not easy to catch offenders - the agents, parents and doctors - as the tests and subsequent abortions take place in private clinics in a clandestine manner.

Accused people can only be charged when there is concrete evidence, they said.

Officials said they planned to amend the law and add stiffer penalties - raising sentences from three years to five years in jail and the maximum fine of 10,000 rupees ($298) to 50,000 rupees ($1508) - and step up enforcement.

I noticed Kevin Rudds a two faced whore*taken from the news and the advertizer*

Harrods hires snake as security guard

A London department store has gone to great lengths to protect a luxury shoe collection, engaging the help of a live cobra.

The slippery security guard was on duty for Monday's launch of exclusive footwear including a 62,000-pound ($152,000) pair of Rene Caovilla sandals encrusted with rubies, sapphires and diamonds encrusted .

Whether hiring a poisonous snake is, strictly speaking, the most effective means of guarding haute couture shoes might be a moot point with security experts.

But it makes for an effective photo opportunity.

A spokeswoman for Harrods admitted that the cobra had been hired strictly for Monday's launch.

"The snake has now been returned to its owner," she said.

So no need to fear snake bites at the shoe counter, then.

Remember the 3 year old Chinese girl that was abandoned by her father?? Well...there was more to it than that.


Senior New Zealand police officials have strongly defended the handling of the investigation in what is now being referred to as the "body-in-the-boot" case.

Authorities have also confirmed the identify of the body as the mother of the little girl abandoned at a Melbourne railway station last weekend.

New Zealand police are smarting from criticism by the public and retired police officers that their handling of the inquiries into the abduction of three-year-old Qian Xun Xue and the murder of her 27-year-old mother, Annie Liu, had been bungled.

Deputy Commissioner Rob Pope says relevant international law enforcement agencies were alerted as soon as the child's identity was confirmed and standard forensic protocols were observed in the search for her mother.

"For anyone who steps back and looks at the complexity of what they are dealing with I think they'd be struggling to put the term keystone, unprofessional or slipshod to this investigation," he said.

Ms Liu's body was recovered from the boot of her estranged husband's car almost 48 hours after police first went to the family's suburban home in Auckland.

A pathologist's preliminary findings are that the young mother died from what has been described as an unspecified violent episode - though it is unclear when, where or how she was killed.

Police have established that she made her last phone and email contact with family and friends on September 10, four days before her estranged husband Michael Xue left New Zealand for Melbourne and then Los Angeles.

Police have issued a warrant for his arrest for the murder of his wife and the abduction of their daughter, and say they are now liaising with Interpol, the FBI and the US Marshall Service to find him.

That's just messed up. That little girl was so cute that I'd seriously consider adopting her but her grandparents are trying to get custody of her at the moment which goes on to the following story...

New Zealand police have confirmed that the body found in the boot of a car in Auckland is the mother of the little girl abandoned at a Melbourne railway station last weekend.

Authorities have released the results of a post-mortem examination, which identified the body of an Asian woman to be that of 27-year-old Annie Liu.

Ms Liu's body was recovered from the boot of her estranged husband's car almost 48 hours after police first went to the family's suburban home in Auckland.

A pathologist's preliminary findings are that the young mother died from what has been described as an unspecified violent episode - though it is unclear when or where or how she was killed.

Police have established that she made her last phone and email contact with family and friends on September 10, four days before her estranged husband Michael Xue left New Zealand for Melbourne and then Los Angeles.

Police have issued a warrant for his arrest for the murder of his wife and the abduction of their daughter Qian Xun Xue, and say they are now liaising with Interpol, the FBI and the US Marshall Service to find him.


Custody bid

Meanwhile, the toddler's grandmother Liu Xiaoping, 53, will travel to New Zealand and then on to Australia to try and gain custody of Qian Xun Xue.

"What she is going through now has no doubt left scars on her heart," Ms Liu said.

"The Australian Government and people have given her great caring and support, for which I feel very grateful, but it will take some time for her to recover and walk out of the shadow cast on her heart."

Her grandmother says she is the only one left to care for the girl.

"I'm her closest and most important family member - she's got nobody apart from me," she said.

"Anan [mother Annie] was my only child and she's my only granddaughter. I will do my utmost to bring her up."

Ms Liu wants to take her back to live in China's Hunan Province where she works as the deputy general manager of a large company.

A Chinese politician in New Zealand says the three-year-old girl is best off being reunited with her extended family in China.

Nationals MP Pansy Wong says the girl speaks Mandarin, and her grandmother has given assurances about family connections in China.

"She's a very youthful grandmother, strong woman, they also have uncles," she said.

"Qianxun also has grand-uncles and grand-aunties, so there's a lot of very caring extended family there."

i know.. it's all so heartbreaking.. this poor little girl, she's absolutely gorgeous! I just want to cry everytime i see her picture in the paper.. i can't even read the stories anymore because it makes me all teary and angry!

This is a pretty interesting story!

Women's Sexy Sway Misleading

A WOMAN who walks with a seductive sway of her hips is unlikely to be ovulating, a finding that sheds light on the complex sexual signals that women give to men, New Scientist reports.

A team at Queen's University in Ontario, Canada, dressed female volunteers in suits which had light reflectors placed on the joints and limbs and filmed them walking in order to analyse their gait, the British weekly says.

The women also gave a saliva sample to assess their hormone levels.

Women who were in the fertile period of their menstrual cycle walked with smaller hip movements and with their knees closer together, the scientists found.

Forty male volunteers were shown the footage of the women and were asked to rate those with the sexiest walk. The winners were those who turned out to be in the least fertile part of their cycle.

The study appears to run counter to recent research that found men respond more readily towards women at ovulation. A US paper published last month found that lap dancers earn more tips during their fertile period than during the non-fertile part of their cycle.

But, the Canadian researchers believe there is no contradiction, because a fertile woman gives out "come-hither" signals at close range rather than at a distance.

These signals come through scent molecules called pheromones and facial expressions. The proximity means a woman can vet a potential mate for fitness before allowing him to come close to her.

In contrast, men can pick up the attractiveness of a woman's walk from a long distance - and a "sexy" walk, visible from afar, could therefore act as an unwitting signal to less appealing males.

So, having a less sexy walk at the time of ovulation gives a woman an evolutionary advantage: she can hide her fertile period from undesirable men.

The research, by Meghan Provost, is to be published in the US journal Archives of Sexual Behaviour, says the report. It appears in the latest issue of New Scientist.

Now that sounds like some rave wear!!

Those crazy Germans...

German flasher strips off in court

Friday Nov 9 06:54 AEDT

A German flasher stunned lawyers during his appeal hearing on a flashing conviction by stripping off in court, authorities said.

"The court withdrew for deliberations and during the adjournment the man removed his clothes again," said a spokesman for the court in the western city of Duisburg. "It appears he sees it as art, and views himself as a living work of art."

The 60-year-old was in court to appeal against his conviction for running onto the pitch naked during a girl's soccer match and striking a range of "body builder poses", the spokesman said.

State prosecutors filed fresh charges of indecent behaviour against the man after the court incident.

haha

Japan hunts rare whales for "research"

Heard this a LONG time ago, and my question was, can we hunt the Japanese and kill THEM in the name of "research"?

Lets do it and find out.

I think if it's alright for them to kill whales in the name of research then it should be alright for us to kill the Japanese in the name of research. I'm willing to fight that too!

It's bullsh*t, they don't kill them for research, they kill them to make money.

Agreed. They use the term "research" to justify the killings when in actual fact they kill whales for the older Japanese consumer market. Whale meat is such a delicacy over there and it's mainly the older Japanese people that tend to eat it. The younger ones tend to stay away from such exotic meals.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0...27-2682,00.html

Ben Hourigan in the headline, was a family friend of mine i've known since birth. Very sad..

Female Rape Victim gets 200 Lashes, Jail

I couldn't believe this when i read it.. and after all that... read what happens to the lawyer defending her!?! The law's over there are unbelievable!

A majority of the laws in Middle Eastern countries have always been based on religion. Women over there are classed as second class citizens. You'll never see me visit any middle eastern country that's for sure except for maybe Dubai.

The world is definitely turning into a horrible place! so many unthinkable crimes! take a look at this one! Children this age shouldn't still be innocent!

US Boy's Charged with Rape of 11-Year-Old Girl

Enjoy Sex and Chocolate
Enjoy dark chocolate, have plenty of sex, eat cold meats and fish for breakfast and you could boost your brain power, say the authors of a new book.

Cognitive psychologist Terry Horne and biochemist Simon Wootton, the co-authors of Teach Yourself: Training Your Brain, argue that lifestyle choices are crucial for keeping you in tip-top mental condition.

The authors say the book is based on leading scientific research from around the world.

"Lifestyle can boost your brain power - what your lifestyle does is help to create the chemical conditions in your brain," Horne said.

He says the brain is more like a chemical factory than a computer.

"You can create the optimum conditions in your brain, you are not just a passive victim of your genes," he said.

The authors take issue with those who argue that a decline in cognitive ability is inevitable from the age of 17 onwards.

With careful lifestyle choices "you can create spare cognitive capacity," Horne said.

They offer an intriguing list of do's and don'ts and insist that people can be pro-active in keeping their brains agile.

Much of it is pure common sense.

"Stress is bad for your thinking. Avoid excessive alcohol and smoking cannabis," he said.

Intriguingly, the authors also urge readers to avoid watching soap operas and Horne said "Don't mix with whingeing, whining, moaning and cynical sorts of people".

And the book is full of practical tips on how to keep the brain firing on all cylinders.

"Cold meats and fish are good for you at breakfast," Horne said.

"Dark chocolate is also good for you because it contains many of the chemicals present when your brain is thinking well.

"It relaxes the muscles around your blood vessels and actually improves the flow of blood to your brain."

They then looked at research into the seven stages of sex from the time you first fancy it through to the after-glow.

"In four of the seven stages we see the same chemicals that help with the thinking process," Horne said.

Michael Schumacher as a taxi driver!

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22911788-2,00.html

Did anybody see what happened yesterday on North Terrace? I was told by a friend that she saw some young male jump off a balcony from the Oaks apartments (next to the EDS building) and killed himself. Did anybody see it coz I cant seem to find any reports of it

Nope.. i haven't heard anything about that yet.. i'll keep a look out for it tho.

i didn't even think you could jump from the oaks!?! arn't their balcony's tiny and the balustrades really really high!?!

yeah i have been wondering about this. poor thing!

READ THIS - basically from another person that witnessed the jumper. Apparently it was from 10 floors up and he crashed through glass and stuff. That's so messed-up

My housemate scott witnessed it happen while he was walking to work... he wasn't even 25 meters away. Was shaken up for a day or 2 but seems fine now... poor guy got the week off work too...

seeming fine is differnt to actually being "Fine", seeing anyone dying in front of your eyes scars you for life

Boy glues himself to bed to wag school
A 10-year-old Mexican boy glued his hand to his bed to avoid going back to school after the Christmas break, authorities said.

"I thought if I was glued to the bed, they couldn't make me go to school," the boy, Diego, said. "I didn't want to go, the holidays were so much fun."

"I remembered my mom had bought a very strong glue," he said of the industrial strength shoe glue he used to stick his hand to the bed's metal headboard, where he stayed stuck for two hours.

His mother Sandra Palacios was unable to free him and called paramedics and police to help.

Diego watched cartoons while they worked to unglue him, eventually using a spray to dissolve the chemical adhesive.

"I don't know why this happened. He is a very good boy," said his mother.

Diego eventually made it to school a few hours late.

This is so disturbing.. what kind of logic was going through this guys mind!

Man says he threw 4 kids off bridge: police
Thursday Jan 10 08:01 AEDT

An Alabama father was charged with four counts of murder after he confessed to throwing four young children into the water from a high-rise bridge after an argument with his wife, police said.

Searchers in boats and helicopters were scouring 260 sq km of coastal Alabama waterways for the children, who ranged in age from four months to three years and were presumed dead.

Lam Luong, 37, of Irvington, Alabama, was being held in the Mobile County, Alabama, jail. He was scheduled for a bond hearing on Thursday.

Investigators said Luong first reported the children missing on Monday but later admitted he threw them from the 24-metre bridge connecting the Alabama mainland to Dauphin Island near Mobile following a dispute with his wife.

"We're doing an extensive search," said Sgt. Jerry Taylor of the Mobile County Sheriff's Department.

Seven law enforcement agencies, including the US Coast Guard, joined the search, which resumed at daybreak on Wednesday after being called off Tuesday night due to rough water and fog.

Divers were also involved in the search for the bodies of the children, along with boats using sonar.

Police identified the children as 4-month-old Danny Luong; Lindsey Luong, 1; Hannah Luong, 2; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan, whom the suspect had raised from the time he was an infant.

thats so so so sad

What is the world coming to when children this young commit these type of offences...

Teen Charged with Rape...

A 14-YEAR-old boy has been charged with raping a 13-year-old boy at a public toilet in Adelaide.

The younger boy was raped in the toilets near a skate park at Port Noarlunga South last Sunday.

Police said today the 14-year-old had been charged with rape and had been granted bail with strict conditions ahead of a court appearance on March 13.

Investigations were continuing and further arrests could be made, a police spokesman said.

WTF?!?!

Besides upbringings etc, in my opinion it's got alot to do with children seeing/hearing about other people doing these sorts of crimes and getting away virtually un punished. IMO punishments for rape (along with many other things) is just not sever enough.

That story was just disturbing.

Read it at work today and we were all very WTF about it... They're getting younger and younger, it's scary to think by the time I have kids they might be sexually active before they hit double digits!

G.

yeah remember that story about the two boys who kidnapped that younger little boy and stuck batteries in places they dont belong, rubbed paint in his eyes (or something?) and beat the crap out of the poor kid and left him on the train tracks to die


well why not, lets not give the c***s life in jail, lets let them out and send them to live the rest of their lives in AUSTRALIA????????????????????????????


that just makes me so angry!!!


if kids can dot hat and get away with it.... well why not right ? *shakes head*

Interesting news story i found....

Police use Taser on Pregnant Woman

cant wait till Bunny reads that one!

Why the interest in my opinion?

I actually don't really have one on that story...I'm more concerned that they're using tasers on 6 year olds. 6 year olds FFS!

I don't beleive them when they say that using a taser on a pregnant woman would have no effect on the embryo/fetus though. That seems like a bit of bullsh*t.

But then, if a pregnant woman is that psycho that she needs to be dealt with using a taser, then maybe she shouldn't be having kids anyway.

you always have something interesting to say Bunny that is all!

and you havent let me down!

Why you think she's like my bestie? haha

Yeah I agree... maybe she shouldn't be having kids if acting like that...

Hehe, well I'm glad

WTF...? check out the news article below...

Vampire - Werewolf crossbreed rapist...

too much vampyre/werewolf/slayers on facebook!

lmao

Killer fish terrifies Britain

February 20, 2008 10:01am
Article from: NEWS.com.au


A SAVAGE fish that eats everything it comes across, including people, has been hooked by a British fisherman — sparking fears of a deadly invasion.

The giant snakehead, originating from South-East Asia, has a mouth crammed with teeth.

It’s deadly in the water, but it can also “crawl” on land and survive out of water for up to four days.

The discovery of the fish in Linconshire, northern England, has caused widespread panic amongst conservationists and anglers.

An Environment Agency source told the Sun: “The reaction was, ‘Oh s***’. This is the ultimate invasive species - if it starts breeding here it’s a disaster.”

Andy Alder caught the snakehead in the River Witham while using a sprat as bait for pike. He told the Sun: “It had a gob full of razor-sharp teeth. To be honest it looked terrifying.”

It is believed the fish may have been smuggled in for an aquarium and illegally released.


Monster ... snakeheads eat everything they see and can even kill humans.

that is so a hoax!

ewww what an ugly thing!!!

Do you know, or are you just saying that?

It's similar to a Piranha

F*ckin ugly though!

well maybe not - but it does seem like a hoax to me

http://ecologyasia.com/news-archives/2002/...,131868,00.html

I think the photo is a bit misleading though - to help make the article sensational

Is that your honest opinion of Jason from this morning...

dont u worry, jase knows my real opinion

He knows my real opinion too LOL

Gee, everyone wants a piece of Jase!

Poll weighs worth of British housewives

LONDON, Feb. 18 (UPI) -- A poll of 4,000 housewives in Britain found they do work that should bring in between $56,000 and $58,000 a year.

The poll, conducted by www.alljoinon.com, a social networking site for housewives, found that most housewives work nine hours a day, seven days a week and found that if the average housewife went out to work she would be paid $11,689.73 more than the national average per year,

It revealed the average housewife spends 4.55 hours each day looking after the children, for which a Nanny would earn around $70, based on an average hourly wage of $15.50.

The summary went on to tally the amounts others would be paid to do a mothers' work to get the total of roughly $56,000 a year and more.

"This clearly demonstrates that not only do housewives deserve a wage for their efforts, they also need a break from the daily grind," said Carolyn Morris, spokeswoman for www.alljoinon.com

That's why they say that being a mum is a full time job!

Patrick Swayze has 'five weeks to live'

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story...3-10388,00.html

Oh no! No more Swayze films like Roadhouse, Black Dog, Ghost....

seriously how can u put a number on how many days a person can have? they said 2 years to my mum and in the end she lived for10 after the doctors said 2

ROFL.. you have to read this...

Was the Bible written while high?

I think it's more for the fact that they tell the person so they are prepared to die

but its wrong! they shouldnt tell someone a time, they dont have a magic ball to say yep your time is up in 2 weeks... the person could live beyond their expectations like my mum did!

Yes they could, but some people die earlier too... I'm sure they don't FORCE them to know how long they live

I would rather live beyond my expectations than not meet them.

Doctors do get it wrong, that's a given. But they do try.

check this out...

Creepy "Gnome" Terrifies Town

March 12, 2008 01:00pm
Article from: NEWS.com.au


A "CREEPY gnome" said to wander around a village at night is terrifying locals so much that many fear leaving their homes after dark, according to reports.

Locals in the Argentinean town of General Guemes claim the "gnome" – which wears a pointy hat and walks sideways like a crab – has been seen walking their streets by many people, UK newspaper The Sun reported.

Local teenager Jose Alvarez claimed to have filmed the gnome on his mobile phone while chatting to friends in the middle of the night.

"Suddenly we heard something - a weird noise as if someone was throwing stones,” Mr Alvarez said.

“We looked to one side and saw that the grass was moving.

“To begin with we thought it was a dog but when we saw this gnome-like figure begin to emerge we were really afraid.”

The grainy footage shows a dark figure slowly moving across a street.

Mr Alvarez said other locals had also seen the strange figure.

“This is no joke. We are still afraid to go out - just like everyone else in the neighbourhood now.”

<<CLICK HERE>> See the video

This post has been edited by KandiRaver: Mar 13 2008, 04:45 PM

WTF??? And I Argentina was one of the places that I wanted to go to this year - mainly Patagonia though.

They are soon apparently charging 25 cents per plastic bag at every supermarket. What are people's thoughts?

whilst I can see the rationale behind the "environment tax" they should make the fabric re-usable bags cheaper to encourage people to use them. Simply raising a levy like this is stupid.

Hmm but I think the green bags are actually made by the supermarket companies themselves. Actually I am 100% sure because I work for Drake Foodmarkets I guess it would be up to the companies?

they should have done it ages ago! it doesnt bother me as much because i use the bigger reuseable bags

yeah even still I am sure the government could of come to some deal with the supermarket companies to encourage using the green bags i.e. make the bags gst free...

give people a cost effective option other than just slugging 25 cents on the plastic bags - most people will see that as no incentive to change and will wear the 25 cents

i think this plastic bag thing is irritating.. i get them from the supermarket and use them as garbage bags.. so when they stop the plastic bags i'm gonna have to buy specific garbage bags.. seems like a conspiracy to me!

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=441662

What the effin eff man!!

You just can't take the bogan out of the model...

Naomi Campbell arrested at Heathrow
Friday Apr 4 06:07 AEDT

Supermodel Naomi Campbell has been arrested for allegedly spitting at a police officer.

Supermodel Naomi Campbell has been arrested at Heathrow Airport's Terminal 5 for allegedly spitting at a police officer, Sky News reported.

A London Metropolitan Police spokesman said a woman was arrested at the terminal for an assault on police, but refused to disclose her identity or give her age.

Airport sources identified the passenger as Campbell who was on a BA flight due to depart for Los Angeles.

The 37-year-old Londoner, who is known for her quick temper, was aggressive and abusive to staff, passengers alleged.

Witnesses said she was cuffed on board the aircraft, which had not taken off.

"Police were called to remove a passenger from a British Airways flight this afternoon," a spokesman for the British airport authority told Reuters.

Campbell, a British fashion model, has a history of getting physical with assistants and employees, and has attended an anger management program.

In 2000, Campbell pleaded guilty in Toronto to an assault charge for beating an assistant while making a film in Canada in 1998.

Under an agreement with prosecutors, Campbell expressed remorse and was released without punishment or a criminal record.

In January 2007, Campbell pleaded guilty to misdemeanour assault for throwing her mobile phone at her maid in a dispute over a missing pair of jeans.

Well just because she's some "Super model" doesn't mean she's elegant

She's still your average person. She just earns more money

ewwwww

grossness

this is wrong on so many levels it is indescribable

I expected this to be in the US - another poor frakn child being brought up in a crazy frakin relationship - another future psycho!!!

This post has been edited by 455Pontiac: Apr 7 2008, 09:57 AM

Celeste? Might as well called her Incest and been done with it!

Respect?! Understanding?!

It's f*cking wrong you f*cktards.

Maaaaaaaaan!!

I fully support it.


fabric re-usable bags being cheaper? Dude, they are only 99c... for what you get, you can't really ask for any cheaper than that.

ok in that case the greater majority must be just frakn lazy. I do use the re-usable bags.

I use Supre bags! lol.. i get them free when i buy something there so i don't even have to pay for re-usable fabric bags!

once supermarkets impose th 25c per plastic bag charge, they'll be encouraged enough to buy the green bags.


haha yeah me too. I've got a few green ones, but 100 of the pink supre ones!

GEEBUS someone is a supre shopaholic

wouldnt they stretch? arent they made of the same fabric as the pants??

Yes it's sad.. but when its the only place where the clothes fit...


ROFL.. they are made out of the same fabric as the green bags, only a lot thinner.. but i have yet to have one break on me!

your talking the bag still right?

Check it out..

on the story of the Father and Daughter who had a child... apparently their first attempt to parent a child ended in it dying of Congenital Disease..

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=443023

yeah saw that on Today tonight last week

twas posted on the last page celeste

Oh, i thought that was just about the relationship.. i didn't realise it went into details about their first child together..

shhh.. i'm a little slow!

the concept sickens me.

i don't understand your attempts at humour... I really don't.

it's ok - you're pregnant.

THAT SH1T IS FUC.KED UP MAN

I can't believe this baby is actually able to breath and eat all by itself!! It's an interesting read.. but question.. why do a lot of these things happen in India? What is causing this? Remember a while ago there was that little girl born with two sets of arms and legs....

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23509452-2,00.html

probably from all the unshielded nuclear reactors they have there, and missiles - remember blinky from the Simpons??

*note: my above statement is totally unfounded on fact*
(they actually have 15)

This post has been edited by 455Pontiac: Apr 9 2008, 11:27 AM

Her being pregnant has nothing to do with the fact that you just arent funny.

nasty - cares...

This post has been edited by 455Pontiac: Apr 9 2008, 04:29 PM

While it is a shock to see, I don't find it so 'unbeleivable' that this young girl can breath and eat. What I do find weird is that BOTH of her mouths are able to support that. I would have though that only one of them would be able to fully function for eating and breathing. Apparently not. Good on her parents for not wanting to change her and accepting her the way she is though. It's not easy being born with a child that is anything other than the mainstream norm.

Global Warming.. Ice Age.. come on scientists.. make up ur mind!!!

Scientists Say Prepare for Ice Age <<CLICK>>

Wtf how can they go from one extreme to the other like that?

Umm...Would cooling be better than warming? Cos cooling would bring the rain yea? And we need rain...

Hehe.. how funny is this...

Night BASE Jumpers Land Infront of Cops

I guess everyone has heard about the Austrian guy holding his daughter prisoner and having 7 children with over the last 20something years? Now that is fkn sad.

G.

Yeah I think I heard that on the radio the other day ... disgusting stuff.

yeah.. been reading about it, it's all over the news sites and papers.. it's disgusting! that poor woman!

Wonder how the calculated this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25526847/

I guess it could be $100,000 per inch??

i paid $1.50 the other night (monday I think?) and I was pretty stoked with that... haven't seen prices since then though